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Ron Paul Campaign Begin TV Ad Blitzes in Texas and Ohio

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1. Here's a post from the RP message board I found interesting - it's long but explains why RP isn't out of it at all - - -
   
   PLEASE EVERYONE COPY AND SEND THIS TO THIER EMAIL LIST AND MEETUP HEADS AND ANY OTHER RON PAUL FORUM THERE IS.
   
   I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry.
   
   I am going to go into some depth of how this all works so read and then read again if you need to.
   
   The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.
   
   I know many of you are bummed about yesterday BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.
   
   First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain has 600 delegates now and IF he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 600 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.
   
   Normally Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the ronpaul campaign strategy will work.
   
   When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates.
   
   What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates
   
   The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll) Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans, in Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.
   
   And we have lots of delegates.
   
   Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
   -463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.
   
   - 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot. After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.
   
   - 383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
   
   - 318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
   
   I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here :
   
   http://www.gop.com/Images...
   
   Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules. Now do you see how we can win this thing?
   
   So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.
   
   This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.
   
   The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008
   
   SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?
   
   This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.
   
   Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.
   
   Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?
   
   NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.
   
   We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.
   
   Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.
   
   So please STOP! you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you? I assure you we have not!
   
   The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.
   
   I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.
   
   NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING FILE TODAY AND BECOME A DELEGATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
   
   Info on how to become a delegate here :
   http://www3.webng.com/ron...
   
   

   Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 07:13 PM — (Reply)

2. I am going to sign up to be a RP delegate. Thanks for the link.
   
   BG

   Comment by Barry G.— 2008/02/13 @ 07:18 PM — (Reply)

3. Hey Dugg, that's a bad link dude.
   
   BG
   
   

   Comment by Barry G.— 2008/02/13 @ 07:21 PM — (Reply)

4. so you wish to usurp the will of the people...nice dugg..

   Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 08:23 PM — (Reply)

5. The will of the people has already been unsurped through massive vote fraud. I want to unsurp the unsurption. Damn straight.

   Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 08:36 PM — (Reply)

6. Really dugg? did you watch the results as they came in? hmmm
   
   The polls and the delegate count say otherwise...hey if you want to essentially spam the convention with RP delegates...go right ahead...Conservatives will stay home in droves even if it were possible...they would never vote for an isolationist
   
   and Obama or Hillary will win...

   Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 08:59 PM — (Reply)

7. You know what - (first off he's already explained he's not an isolationist) If RP doesn't win - I could care less who does. Obomba/Hillary - McCain - what's the difference? Vote fraud implies the results coming in were wrong, Elmer.

   Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 09:05 PM — (Reply)

8. I can't help it if RP supporters are sore losers and can't find it in themselves to admit that their guy will NOT win the nomination and now have to cry foul (voter fraud, media bias etc) or threaten to take over the convention in direct contravention to the vote in the primaries
   
   I can't help it if your guy lost in the war of ideas and you can't accept it
   
   cry sour grapes all you want, won't make a bit of difference

   Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:09 PM — (Reply)

9. Vote fraud claimed in nearly every state - and a near MSM blackout. I don't think that's sour grapes. The biggest grass roots campaign ever having 6 million dollar fundraising days does not equal 4%. I've posted a dozen vote fraud stories - it is definitely going on.

   Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 09:15 PM — (Reply)

10. and if there was why does it equal an RP win? nope it's sour grapes
    
    face it dugg RP will not be president

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:16 PM — (Reply)

11. The day he drops out is the day we are dead as a nation. I'm not sure why that makes you so gleefull. I still ask you - how do you justify supporting a CFR member for President?
    
    http://revolutioncallingyou.bloghi.com/2008/02/11/get-educated-about-your-cfr-candidates-for-president.html

    Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 09:20 PM — (Reply)

12. who's gleeful....his ideas didn't move the majority of people to vote for him
    
    plain and simple
    
    How do you know who I'm voting for?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:32 PM — (Reply)

13. how do you justify supporting a CFR member for President?
    
    how do you justify voting for a free mason?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:41 PM — (Reply)

14. Even Richard Vigure, conservative pundit and Ron Paul supporter said this:
    
    No one who blames American foreign policy for the 9/11 terrorist attack would ever get support in the GOP, and probably not in the Democratic Party, either. Even without that, Paul always had just as much chance of winning a major-party nomination as any other sitting Congressman, which is to say none at all.
    
    Ron Paul himself said there would be no brokered convention Dugg:
    
    With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 08:52 PM — (Reply)

15. Sorry, Elmer - your not gonna convince me of what RP has said - I've read every word - and he's been talking about a brokered convention for months - and as recently as a couple days ago.

    Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 09:07 PM — (Reply)

16. dream on dugg...it's all you got

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:09 PM — (Reply)

17. dugg let's say for the sake of argument that RP (hahahaha) somehow pulls this *hit off and wins the nomination
    
    expect a landslide win for the Democratic nominee

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:14 PM — (Reply)

18. You'll probably get your McWarpig to lose instead. Either way - we need one of the warpig candidates to fulfill Bible prophecy.

    Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 09:16 PM — (Reply)

19. which prophecy is that dugg? do tell? Chapter and verse please.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:17 PM — (Reply)

20. I know the Bible, too, Elmer. I was joking btw, sorta.
    Dude, everyone knows the endtimes will be filled with war, disease and ruin - sounds like McCains campaign motto.
    Plowshares, dude.

    Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/13 @ 09:24 PM — (Reply)

21. sure dugg but don't see it happening just yet

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:31 PM — (Reply)

22. we need one of the warpig candidates to fulfill Bible prophecy.
    
    Fatalistic are we? TSK TSK TSK

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/02/13 @ 09:18 PM — (Reply)

23. I've seen Osama and Hitlery campain ads but not a single Ron Paul advertisement. Now Osama is taunting the tv ads about health care. Also now is endorsed by the dallas Morning News. where is Ron ???????? Come on Ron ...where are you ????

    Comment by aza spade— 2008/02/13 @ 09:47 PM — (Reply)

24. The only thing the end is near for is Ron Paul.
    
    BG
    
    

    Comment by Barry G.— 2008/02/13 @ 09:47 PM — (Reply)

25. Our "fearless leader" has given up on us and betrayed us and like a typical politician is now doing everything he can to keep his clutches on his seat in Congress. Turns out he is just a politician. I am truly disappointed.
    
    

    Comment by Former Ron Paul Supporter— 2008/02/16 @ 04:51 PM — (Reply)

26. You're so wrong. Look at RP's message to his followers that I posted on my blog - he ain't quitting nothin. Never surrender!

    Comment by Dugg— 2008/02/16 @ 05:05 PM — (Reply)

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